President Series, So Far

For easy reference, here is my president series so far. 39 down, 2 to go.

Excellent

1. John Tyler (I) — 54/60 (16/20/18)
2. Warren Harding (R) — 54/60 (20/18/16)
3. George Washington (F) — 53/60 (15/13/20 +5)
4. Rutherford Hayes (R) — 53/60 (16/20/17)

Very Good

5. Chester Arthur (R) — 52/60 (18/19/15)
6. James Monroe (D-R) — 51/60 (17/18/16)
7. Harry Truman (D) — 48/60 (13/18/17)
8. Dwight Eisenhower (R) — 48/60 (16/20/12)
9. Calvin Coolidge (R) — 46/60 (18/15/13)

Good

10. Jimmy Carter (D) — 44/60 (9/18/17)
11. John Quincy-Adams (D-R) — 44/60 (19/10/15)
12. Millard Fillmore (W) — 43/60 (18/11/14)
13. James Madison (D-R) — 42/60 (15/8/19)

Average

14. Thomas Jefferson (D-R) — 40/60 (20/10/10)
15. Bill Clinton (D) — 40/60 (10/18/12)
16. Gerald Ford (R) — 40/60 (15/12/13)
17. John F. Kennedy (D) — 39/60 (11/14/14)
18. William Howard Taft (R) — 36/60 (10/12/14)
19. Benjamin Harrison (R) — 35/50 (12/9/14)
20. Ronald Reagan (R) — 33/60 (13/13/7)

Poor

21. Abraham Lincoln (R) — 30/60 (15/5/10)
22. Herbert Hoover (R) — 30/60 (20/3/7)
23. George H. W. Bush (R) — 30/60 (3/14/13)
24. Andrew Johnson (D) — 29/60 (8/15/6)
25. Ulysses Grant (R) — 29/60 (4/18/7)
26. Grover Cleveland (D) — 29/60 (17/9/3)
27. Richard Nixon (R) — 28/60 (8/9/11)
28. Martin Van Buren (D) — 26/60 (8/12/6)

Bad

29. William McKinley (R) — 25/60 (0/16/9)
30. Franklin Pierce (D) — 23/60 (4/17/2)
31. James Polk (D) — 22/60 (0/13/9)
32. Ted Roosevelt (R) — 20/60 (6/10/4)
33. Barack Obama (D) — 19/60 (3/7/9)
34. Lyndon Johnson (D) — 18/60 (0/3/15)

Very Bad

35. Donald Trump (R) — 17/60 (12/1/4)
36. John Adams (F) — 16/60 (5/9/2)
37. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D) — 16/60 (10/4/2)
38. Andrew Jackson (D) — 15/60 (2/11/2)

Complete Failure

39. James Buchanan (D) — 7/60 (4/3/0)
40. George W. Bush (R) — 4/60 (0/4/0)
41. Woodrow Wilson (D) — 2/60 (0/2/0)

 

Translating the 60-based scores into 10-based:

9 — Tyler, Harding, Washington, Hayes
8 ½ — Arthur, Monroe
8 — Truman, Eisenhower, Coolidge
7 ½ — Carter, Quincy-Adams
7 — Fillmore, Madison
6 ½ — Jefferson, Clinton, Ford, Kennedy
6 — Taft, Harrison
5 ½ — Reagan

5 — Lincoln, Hoover, H.W. Bush, A. Johnson, Grant, Cleveland
4 ½ — Nixon, Van Buren
4 — McKinley, Pierce
3 ½ — Polk
3 — T. Roosevelt, Obama, L. Johnson
2 ½ — Trump, Adams, F.D. Roosevelt, Jackson
1 — Buchanan
½ — W. Bush
0 — Wilson

10 thoughts on “President Series, So Far

  1. Hi there. I disagree with John Tyler being the best president. He’s way too controversial to be one and I’ll tell you why and do my own rankings. Yes, although he did do some good things to the country like the treaties with Britain and China, as well as helping to end both Dorr’s Rebellion and the Second Semonile War in Florida, he refused to compromise and abused his veto powers, thus becoming the only president to be expelled from his party and the first to face an unsuccessful impeachment attempt. Goes to show that one of the skills the president may do is to have the ability to compromise, like Washington, Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, and LBJ did. But Tyler’s refusal to do so cause nearly his whole cabinet to resign and almost caused him to get impeached, meaning his relationship with Congress was so TERRIBLE! But he deserves his own punishment by being the first president to have his vetos overridden by Congress. He may have done a good job reducing uncertainty by becoming the first VP to inherit the office by the predecessor’s death, but his running of his cabinet was pretty poor. Also, as a staunch support of slavery, he did NOTHING to stop the rise of slavery, hired Conservative Southern Democrats as his cabinet, his unpopular vetos prolonged the economic recovery from the 1837, which is why the economic recovery continued to be very slow until the mid to late 1840’s. His attempt to annex Texas may have been one of the leading causes to the Mexican American War that would also result in the Civil War.

    A+ (Best Presidents):
    1. Abraham Lincoln
    2. George Washington

    A- (Amazing):
    3. Thomas Jefferson
    4. Teddy Roosevelt
    5. FDR
    6. Harry Truman
    7. Dwight Eisenhower

    B+ (Great):
    8. Calvin Coolidge
    9. John Adams
    10. JFK

    B (Good):
    11. James Monroe
    12. James Madison
    13. James Polk
    14. Ulysses Grant
    15. George H.W. Bush

    C (Okay):
    16. LBJ
    17. John Quincy Adams
    18. Chester Arthur
    19. Jimmy Carter
    20. William Taft

    C- (Mediocre)
    21. Ronald Reagan
    22. Rutherford B Hayes
    23. Gerald Ford

    D (Poor)
    24. John Tyler
    25. Benjamin Harrison
    26. Warren Harding
    27. Millard Fillmore

    D- (Very Bad)
    28. Martin Van Buren
    29. Herbert Hoover
    30. Richard Nixon
    31. Andrew Jackson
    32. William McKinley

    F (Worst Presidents)
    33. Woodrow Wilson
    34. Franklin PIerce
    33. James Buchanan
    34. Andrew Johnson

    • I’ll go through all of your points on Tyler:

      CLAIM: “He’s too controversial”

      Being controversial wouldn’t automatically make one a poor president. FDR is controversial in some circles, so is Lincoln. Are you going to drop their rankings?

      CLAIM: “abused his veto powers”

      In what manner did he abuse his veto powers? He certainly wasn’t in any way using his veto excessively. Tyler had a total of only 10 vetoes, and two were vetoes of nearly identical bank bills and three were vetoes of continuing distribution while raising tariffs at the same time. So five of his vetoes were basically on two bills. A case of abuse of the veto would be Andrew Johnson, who vetoed bills because he reasoned any bill passed without former confederates sat in congress was “unconstitutional”.

      CLAIM: “becoming the only president to be expelled from his party”

      This does not automatically make him a bad president. He was expelled for not being a mindless rubber stamp of Congress and the Whigs programs. I’d rather have a president do what he thinks is right, especially when he could pay political consequences for doing so.

      CLAIM: ” the first to face an unsuccessful impeachment attempt”

      The impeachment attempt was purely political reasons. The attempt failed pretty miserably, as less than sixty percent of the Whigs in the house voted in favor of impeachment. Once again, this is others playing political games, so it is no reason to downgrade Tyler.

      CLAIM: “Goes to show that one of the skills the president may do is to have the ability to compromise, like Washington, Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, and LBJ did.”

      Compared to the “uncompromising” Tyler, who had only 10 vetoes, FDR had 635 vetoes. Lyndon Johnon issued 30 vetoes, but he also did what was called the “Johnson treatment” where he basically bullied others into agreeing with him. FDR likewise bullied congress with his court packing scheme and abusing them by calling members of the court the “Four Horsemen” and saying that they have a “horse and buggy understanding of interstate commerce”.

      As far as Tyler being “uncompromising” he went along with most of the Whig’s programs, there were only two that he wouldn’t: Rechartering the Bank and raising tariffs without ending distribution. Tyler had a different banking system in mind, called the exchequer system, but Congress never considered it. Tyler also signed Congress’s repeal of the Independent Treasury. It was Congress that was unwilling to compromise on the bank. As far as distribution goes, Tyler was unwilling to raise tariff rates from where they were set under the Compromise Tariff of 1833 without ending distribution. This was a Compromise position. If congress was going to raise tariffs to close the deficit, Tyler reasoned that they should also end the distribution of money from federal land sales to the states in order to assist ion closing said deficits.

      CLAIM: “his running of his cabinet was pretty poor”

      False. The cabinet came up with the idea that they should be able to dictate policy to Tyler. No president would agree to such a situation.

      CLAIM: “as a staunch support of slavery, he did NOTHING to stop the rise of slavery”

      First off, he didn’t do anything as president that was proslavery. The proslavery presidents were Jackson, Van Buren, Pierce & Buchanan. As far as not stopping the “rise of slavery”, it existed long before John Tyler. In fact, not a single president before Lincoln did anything to abolish the practice.

      CLAIM: “hired Conservative Southern Democrats as his cabinet”

      Like Daniel Webster (Massachusetts) Thomas Ewing (Ohio) Walter Forward (Ohio) John Canfield Spencer (New York) William Wilkins (Pennsylvania) James Madison Porter (Pennsylvania) Francis Granger (New York) David Henshaw (Massachusetts)

      Like EVERY president before Lincoln, he had cabinet members from ALL parts of the country.

      CLAIM: “his unpopular vetos prolonged the economic recovery from the 1837”

      False. The economy took a little while to recover, but the Panic of 1837 was the Great Depression of its day. The economic was recovering in 1843, which was a pretty good timeline. It took a while to fix the damage done by Jackson & Van Buren.

      CLAIM: “His attempt to annex Texas may have been one of the leading causes to the Mexican American War that would also result in the Civil War.”

      False. Polk went to war with Mexico top get California. He wasn’t interested in any agreement with Mexico that didn’t include acquiring California. If not for Texas, Polk would have found another way to go to war. The Civil war started mainly over slavery, and even without the Mexican-American war, that issue wasn’t going away.

      • I was just getting ready to write up a reply about Tyler, but sdu754 did a more than adequate job. Anything I add at this point would be superfluous.

      • I’ll show you the pros and cons on how Tyler performed. His foreign policy was better than his domestic policy. Speaking of which with less congressional conflicts, he was able to get his agenda done and ended up making good foreign policy achievements. Tyler compromised with the negotiations with the treaties with Britain and China, thankfully, not with Congress.

        Pro:
        Increased confidence by becoming the first VP to inherit the presidency after the predecessor’s death
        Negotiated treaties with Great Britain and China (Webster Ashburton Treaty and Treaty of Wanghia)
        Ended both Dorr’s Rebellion and Second Seminole War

        Cons:
        Was considered very difficult to work with
        Terrible at getting along with people
        Poor relations with Congress
        Not very good at managing Harrison’s cabinet
        Completely disregarded the Whig party that got him elected
        Opposed nearly every legislation the Whigs approved such as the Third National Bank
        Mediocre Economic handling, but the economy did okay under his watch. (Would’t be until 1848 that the economy became better)
        Hired Conservative Southern Democrats his his cabinet
        Annexed Texas as a slave state
        Almost got impeached
        Wrong about banks needing state approval
        Very pro States’ rights
        Against infrastructure spending

        The sources help me explain why Tyler was not a good or well liked president. Now I cannot explain the fact that he betrayed our country to serve with the South. That will not affect his ranking as president. What does was his ego. Also the leadership issues definitely hurt Tyler politically. F is too harsh harsh for him as he mostly did nothing rather doing bad things like Van Buren and had other good things from here to there regarding his foreign policy achievements and inequality policy. At least he is not a bad president, but he still ends up as a D tier president.

        Grade: D

      • For your cons:

        CLAIM: “Was considered very difficult to work with. Terrible at getting along with people. Poor relations with Congress”

        Most of this is Congress wanting to dictate policy to him and wanting him to be a puppet. He had a poor relationship with Congress, but that is because they tried to walk all over him. I have never heard that he was actually difficult to work with. None of your “Best”, “Amazing” or “Great” presidents would have allowed Congress to push them around.

        CLAIM: “Not very good at managing Harrison’s cabinet.”

        Because like Congress, they felt that they could dictate policy. This is also a poor thing to rate a president on, as they shouldn’t be forced to work with someone else’s cabinet. John Adams had a poor working relationship with his cabinet, yet you rank him “great”.

        CLAIM: “Completely disregarded the Whig party that got him elected. Opposed nearly every legislation the Whigs approved such as the Third National Bank.”

        False, he did most of what they wanted, he just vetoed the bank bill and was unwilling to raise tariffs without ending distribution. One could blame the Whigs for choosing him in the first place. They had to know there was at least a possibility he would become president when they were electing such an old man to be president. WH Harrison was the oldest elected president until Reagan. In fact, all of the claims that I have handled thus far all have to deal with Congress or Harrison’s cabinet thinking that they should dictate policy to Tyler. They are also basically one claim that has been refuted.

        You said: “Mediocre Economic handling, but the economy did okay under his watch.”

        False, the economy began to recover in 1843. He inherited one of the worst economic situations any president ever inherited.

        You said: “Hired Conservative Southern Democrats his cabinet.”

        Like Daniel Webster (Massachusetts) Thomas Ewing (Ohio) Walter Forward (Ohio) John Canfield Spencer (New York) William Wilkins (Pennsylvania) James Madison Porter (Pennsylvania) Francis Granger (New York) David Henshaw (Massachusetts) Like every president before Lincoln, he had members in his cabinet from both parts of the country.

        CLAIM: “Annexed Texas as a slave state”

        Texas was already had slavery and would have done so without being annexed into the United States. Annexing Texas was a good thing.

        CLAIM: “Almost got impeached”

        I already covered this. It goes right along with the Whigs expecting Tyler to be spineless puppet. The impeachment attempt was completely political, as the Whigs that sought to impeach him only wanted to do so because they found him annoying. The vote wasn’t close either. The attempt failed pretty miserably, as less than sixty percent of the Whigs in the house voted in favor of impeachment.

        CLAIM: “Wrong about banks needing state approval”

        This goes back to the bank, but how was he in the wrong?

        CLAIM: “Very pro States’ rights”

        This could be seen as being either good or bad.

        CLAIM: “Against infrastructure spending”

        He was against it while the country was running large deficits. This was why he wanted to end distribution, which he had approved in the first place.

        CLAIM: “The sources help me explain why Tyler was not a good or well liked president.”

        What sources? You don’t cite any sources. Whether Tyler was well liked or not has no bearing on the job he did. Teddy Roosevelt is well liked, but he was a poor President.

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